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Trumped by the Nuns: Fear and Loathing Among the Cheeseheads

We would, all of us, like to think that we are guided primarily by our reason, not our emotions. Those of us who have lived long enough know better. This is nowhere truer than in the political sphere.

“The political brain is an emotional brain. It is not a dispassionate calculating machine, objectively searching for the right facts, figures, and policies to make a reasoned decision. The partisans in our study were, on average, bright, educated, and politically aware. And yet they thought with their guts.”

“In politics, when reason and emotions collide, emotion invariably wins. Although the marketplace of ideas is a great place to shop for policies, the marketplace that matters most in American politics is the marketplace of emotions.”

—The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation by Drew Westen

And so, it was when I traveled to Madison, Wisconsin, last year to testify before the joint commerce committee on pending Rent-To-Own legislation, I wondered how I might provoke a favorable emotional response from those Wisconsin legislative inquisitors before whom I was going to testify. I was, after all, sort of a carpetbagger in reverse, a Southerner traveling to the North to effect political change, and could therefore be easily dismissed as an interloper into Wisconsin state affairs.

The RTO story in Wisconsin has always been complicated. The state has never had an RTO law. Two governors—one a Democrat, one a Republican—both vetoed RTO bills that had painstakingly made their way through both chambers of the statehouse to the governor’s desk. Wisconsin courts have ruled against RTO companies multiple times, holding that RTO transactions are credit sales under the state’s celebrated Consumer Act. The Commissioner of Banking once tried to do the industry a favor with a regulation defining “nominal consideration,” but the attorney general raised such a hue and cry against such perfidy that the regulation was withdrawn almost as soon as it came into effect.

Despite the historic political and legal hostility to RTO, there remains one intrepid rental dealer in the state, a Wisconsin native with deep Wisconsin roots. He wanted to try once again to bring his state into line with all of the others regarding RTO. He asked me to go testify in support of a bill he got introduced, and I try never to say “No” to a rental dealer.

I am, as are many, possessed of an array of facts and figures about the industry that I can rattle off at any time—size, number of employees, number of customers, keep rates, past due percentages, deliveries, pick-ups, etc. I can read spread sheets. I determined, however, to forego the facts on this mission and, instead, make an emotional plea for passage. As a white male with a southern accent, I knew I was at a disadvantage with this strategy, but decided to plow ahead. Here is the gist of what I told the committee: I told them that I wanted to give them a hypothetical but argued that similar facts could be easily uncovered anywhere in the state.

Despite the historic political and legal hostility to RTO, there remains one intrepid rental dealer in the state, a Wisconsin native with deep Wisconsin roots. He wanted to try once again to bring his state into line with all of the others regarding RTO. He asked me to go testify in support of a bill he got introduced, and I try never to say “No” to a rental dealer.

I am, as are many, possessed of an array of facts and figures about the industry that I can rattle off at any time—size, number of employees, number of customers, keep rates, past due percentages, deliveries, pick-ups, etc. I can read spread sheets. I determined, however, to forego the facts on this mission and, instead, make an emotional plea for passage. As a white male with a southern accent, I knew I was at a disadvantage with this strategy, but decided to plow ahead. Here is the gist of what I told the committee: I told them that I wanted to give them a hypothetical but argued that similar facts could be easily uncovered anywhere in the state.

She calls the store and tells them to come get the pair, which they do. While there, the helpful and friendly delivery folks remind her of her reinstatement rights, which in the company she chose, last for a “lifetime.” They tell her that when she gets her money situation straightened out, she need only call the store and she can have the washer and dryer redelivered and reinstalled and pick up her payments right where she left off. When the weather warms, as it eventually must, she could also just rent the washer and hang the clothes to dry on the line outside. There are lots of choices in RTO.

And, of course, while she is renting, the store has committed to taking care of the product, making any repairs that are needed, for example, if the hoses started leaking or the dryer belt broke. None of that did happen to our mother, because she rented a name brand laundry pair, and, as it happened, it was new stuff. Looking at our two mothers, it is easy to see that the Milwaukee mother is at a huge, devastating disadvantage, really, because her state does not allow RTO.”

I told the committee that the members should vote to move the RTO bill as soon as possible and help the citizens of their great state. I really thought that my appeal to emotion would win the day. Several legislators, during the hearing, pontificated about their sworn, moral duty to look out and protect “the least among us.” I gave them an example of “the least among us” in spades, and how to help them.

There were, predictably, the usual critics of RTO. Wisconsin Public Interest Research Group testified that RTO is a bad deal and that it costs too much. Nothing new from that group. A bombastic state senator excoriated the industry as “preying on the poor” and entrapping them in a vicious and unending cycle of debt. Again nothing new (and nothing true). I thought we were ahead with the committee.

Then came the nuns. There were two of them, dressed in the full habits of their order, bright blue as it happened. They were from Milwaukee, and the Archdiocese there has long opposed RTO.

They were of a certain age and spoke softly, but emphatically, about the poor in Milwaukee—think Call The Midwife. Their testimony was that RTO does not really help the poor, but they did. They explained that there was a St. Vincent de Paul store in Milwaukee, and that if someone needed something, a bed, a TV, whatever, they could just come down to their store, and if they couldn’t pay for what they needed, the Church would gladly just give it to them. So, said the nuns, there is really no need for RTO in Wisconsin, since charity and the milk of human kindness overflows in the state and can take adequate care of “the least among us.” Think you are tired of hearing those words, you should have been there.

And that was that. The Milwaukee nuns’ emotional appeal trumped this cisgendered southern white male’s emotional appeal and I knew that bill was dead in committee—and it was.

Ed Winn III serves as APRO General Counsel. For legal advice, members in good standing can email legal@rtohq.org.


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Mike Lewis

Mike Lewis is a Premier Rental Purchase franchisee with multiple stores and currently serves as Vice President of Operations. With 33 years of experience in the rent-to-own industry, he has spent the past 20 years working closely with franchisee owners and previously spent 12 years in Corporate RTO, gaining a strong foundation in the business.

For the past five years, Mike has been sharing his knowledge by teaching managers and franchisees at the company’s Training Center.

Outside of work, he enjoys time with his family, kids, and grandkids, and appreciates the simple things in life – especially riding his Harley Davidson with the sun on his face. If you know, you know!

Lauren Talicska

Arona Corporation dba Arona Home Essentials

Lauren Talicska is an experienced multi-channel marketing specialist and the Vice President of Marketing & Communications at Arona Home Essentials. She has found her home in the RTO community, supporting stores in branding, growth, and increasing traffic.

You may recognize Lauren as a former RTO vendor, including her time as a partner for Nationwide RentDirect, or her previous participation in the APRO Vendor Advisory Committee. Lauren calls Columbus, Ohio, home and spends her workday crafting and executing marketing promotions from inception to realization, all while supporting the branding and social media needs of all the Arona stores in 12 states (plus Puerto Rico!).

Charles Smitherman

APRO

Charles Smitherman, JD, PhD, CAE, became CEO of APRO in 2023, bringing years of legal and executive experience in the rent-to-own industry. 

Prior to joining the association, Charles served as COO, General Counsel, and Vice President of PTS Financial Services, where he played an active role in the rent-to-own industry by representing his company through PTS’s club program offering with APRO member dealers. Charles is an attorney with two decades of experience across a wide variety of areas, including RTO, consumer financial services, antitrust, corporate law, mergers and acquisitions, litigation, franchise law, and privacy law. Following law school at the University of Georgia, Charles earned a Master of Legal Studies and PhD in Law from the University of Oxford in England.

Charles is credentialed as a Certified Association Executive (CAE) with the American Society of Association Executives, a Certified Franchise Executive (CFE) with the International Franchise Association, and a Certified Information Privacy Professional (CIPP/US) and Certified Information Privacy Manager (CIPM) through the International Association of Privacy Professionals. As APRO’s sixth CEO in its 45-year history, he brings a collaborative, member-focused approach to association leadership, emphasizing transparency, advocacy, and value creation. Outside of work, Charles is an active ultra runner and open water swimmer.

Mike Kays

Ashley Furniture Industries

As VP of Rental Sales for Ashley Furniture Industries, Mike thrives on building relationships with our RTO industry veterans, and helping businesses grow through new product, new marketing, and new supply chain options.

Mike works to leverage a wide breadth of relationships and influence, intimate knowledge of market trends, and unique knowledge of what RTO dealers need from a supplier to be successful.

The saying goes that a high tide raises all boats, and our goal is to leverage the world’s largest furniture manufacturer to drive the continued growth of the RTO industry and all the suppliers.

Mike Tissot

Countryside Rentals Inc., dba Rent-2-Own

Mike grew up in the rent-to-own industry under the guidance of his father, former APRO President and RTO legend Darrell Tissot. For nearly 25 years, Mike’s innovative leadership has helped expand the family business to more than 40 stores across Ohio and Kentucky while also shaping the industry as a whole.

He has served as President of the Ohio Rental Dealers Association, an APRO board member and Treasurer, and President and Treasurer of the TRIB Group. His contributions have earned him the APRO President’s Award of Excellence and the title of APRO Rental Dealer of the Year.

Outside of RTO, Mike enjoys time at the lake house or in Orange Beach, Alabama, with his girlfriend, Angela Strong McCool. A passionate Cincinnati Reds fan, he rarely misses a game, whether watching or listening alongside his parents. He also takes every opportunity to visit Arizona, where his daughter is currently attending Arizona State University.